My spidey sense is tingling… SPIDER-MAN 4 is in danger!
We are back to late 05/early 06.
Sam Raimi has his villain for Spider-Man 4, the same bad guy he originally wanted to go with for Spider-Man 3 – The Vulture – who would have broke out of prison with Flint Marko (Sandman), and acted as the more evil of the pair in a fight against Spider-Man.
He’s got an actor to play him… John Malkovich (last time round it was Sir. Ben Kingsley).
But once again Sony, just like they did some years ago, just aren’t sure and have reportedly been diagnosed with last minute cold feet. My spidey senses are tingling!

From a studio exec point of view, I can sympathise somewhat.
An aging, kind of pathetic, bald, 56 year old villain in a big green costume, with feathers and who can fly but doesn’t look cool and hasn’t sold a Spidey book in years AND certainly isn’t hip for a generation who have grown up with the Spidey movies, the 90′s Spider-Man animated cartoon and video games – is the last character you would want to be the main villain for your studio’s biggest franchise.
If we are talking business, and you have to remember that this industry is first and foremost about making money, then Sony made the correct decision in not using The Vulture and putting in Venom last time around. Spider-Man 3 is one of the highest grossing movies of all time with a $890 million worldwide total, and all the pre-movie talk and hype was on the big monstrous villain.
Merchandise sales for Venom, I presume, was off the charts.

Simply put, financially it worked. It killed any creativity and enthusiasm from director Sam Raimi and it resulted in a pretty awful picture for us but money talks. Bottom dollar is key. Sony don’t really care about the fanboy’s feelings, whether they were hurt or not, they only care about the paper in their wallets. And whoever the villain is, whether we liked the last movie or not, we will see Spider-Man 4 anyway, and they know this. Which is why the trailers are much more geared towards the average Joe Public because that isn’t guaranteed cash.
Now from an outsider looking in, Sony gave Raimi carte-blanche on whatever he wanted to do with Spider-Man 4 UNTIL it got to this 11th hour stage – maybe they’ve seen the character designs, read the much worked on script (3 different writers, and it’s still being worked on as of now) and are starting to freak out.
They appear to have told Raimi that it’s a no-go for The Vulture but haven’t yet decided which villain they think is cool enough for the kids to be drafted in at this stage. Raimi is furious, of course and quite rightly, will feel a little messed around. As will his production crew who are said to be “pissed” at these developments.

This is where we start to get worried. This is when catastrophic decisions in a project are made because the clock is clicking, this one is a go for the Spring and Sony have their May 2011 release date that they don’t want to give up. Given the ticking clock, would it really surprise us if Sony went directly ahead with drafting in a villain we all love and who has major fanboy recognition, someone like Kraven the Hunter or maybe even someone newer like Carnage (or it wouldn’t surprise me… Venom again) and basically use the outline they have for the previous villain and just roll over the text in the script with their computer mouse and change the names.
That is very, very, very troubling indeed.

As of right now, Sam Raimi and Sony are at logger-heads. And don’t believe that half-assed studio denial about the project being on “holiday hiatus” (but conveniently, with a script that’s still being re-written… no holiday for them!) - this project is in major trouble and if Sony don’t compromise for Raimi, then he’s gonna bail before too long and probably take Tobey Maguire with him.
Raimi is right to stand his ground, not to compromise. An artist doesn’t compromise.
With the success of Drag Me To Hell, we were all mega surprised to see the recently awakened creative giant return to this series in the first place. Of course it’s so dear to his heart, he built it for God’s sake, but maybe it’s time for him to let-go. Rarely does a director make the first three in a franchise, and they never go for a fourth within a decade and Sony are gonna keep making Spider-Man movies long after Raimi has gone.
He can’t outlive a studio. Swing away to something else, I’d say. Let Sony fuck-up the franchise on their own.




6 Comments
vulture could be cool if done right however if they wanted to choose a more palletable enemy/enemies the lizarde would be the next best cause doc connor has some symbiote suit, lizard DNA for re-growth and wants his arm back and maybe even get a little crazy i might suggest some spidey vs vulture+lizard vs venom ince your so fond of killing the badies heres an idea spidey fights lizard, vulture convinces lizard to help him somehow spidey messes up their plans, lizard realises he knows better meanwhile venom plot revenge lizard+spidey chop vulture, venom chops lizard venom walks and beaten and hurt (cause techinicaly you cant kill venom) venom realises he knows better vows to help people but kill spidey leaving a venom spin off or spidey movie way open and throw in some black cat to if it will work, and just in case it crosses your mind i think you shoul save carnage for a super movie further down the track cause you can make a very visual destruction fest with him….. that is all
These guys better get a move on!
If they delay this movie too much, no one’s gonna care! I’ve been a Spidey fan since I was a kid, grew up watching that 90s cartoon. There are so many good villains to choose from, but that can’t possibly be what’s holding up the film… could it?
I think the studio should let Raimi work his magic without interfering. The Vulture wasn’t my personal dream for a movie villain, but I bet he would end up looking pretty cool compared to his bald 60s version. He looked cool in the 90s cartoon, and he looks cooler in the new Spectacular Spiderman cartoon. Maybe they could base his movie look on one of those versions!
But I don’t think the Vulture will do the movie justice alone! Some time back, didn’t Raimi have a great idea about Vulture and Electro being in a movie? That would be cool!
But if the studio must interfere, why can’t they let Sam use the vulture and then they can pick the other villain? Sesame Street taught us all about cooperation, but I guess the studio never watched Sesame Street.
One final thing…
I hope this “Vultress” crap isn’t true!
I don’t really see where Kraven the Hunter is going to sell more than Vulture. Most of my less comic-geeky friends have no clue who he is. He’s just as bad of a choice money wise as Vulture is. Honestly, this franchise has been on a decline for two movies basically. The first one was awesome when it came out, the second one started to lose my interest when it became more about Peter than about Spidey, and then the third one was awful.
They need to just realize that Spidey only has two to three villians that actually work in a movie. Venom, Carnage, and Doc Oc. They’ve already “killed” two of them off (I still don’t think Venom is actually dead. There’s no way they’d do something that stupid) Since Doc Oc is dead and Venom I assume is a no go for at least this movie, why not just go ahead and bring out Carnage?
Spiderman 3 is one of the worst movies I’ve ever seen. Never in my life have I ever wanted to leave a theater before. Lets hope they give Sam what he wants. I think the Vulture would be awesome. But know one cares what fan boys think. Now if only they could just kill off Mary Jane.
ah,Who gives a crap it will probably be another load of old shite anyways!
The problem with the last 3 Spiderman movies is that they all end with Mary Jane screaming for Peter to save her. And that sure gets boring. They really need to figure out another way to end this next movie.
PS – The Lizard and Kraven would be Awesome !