you never did like the harry potter films. so honestly, i dont think alot of people will be taking much notice to these kinds of messages.

Ooooh, well that’s you told then, isn’t it, Matt? Can’t argue with that kind of ironclad logic (not to mention the meticulous grammar and punctuation).

@adam. is your message directed towards me, because if it: your sarcasm fails. You sound like you’re trying to be clever but your statement makes you sound like an idiot.
and my message i think speaks for itself. Anyone who has come on this site and likes harry potter knows full well, Matt’s stance on the harry potter movies, and so his opinion on hp will be ignored(like these slandered posts on hp for the time being), especially when the film’s just been released.
and @adam you could try and at least have a purpose for commenting here, instead of trying to 1-up someone elses’ comment on a movie website(which doesnt even relate to the topic at hand anyways, so you fail.)

Depends how you define failure though, doesn’t it? After all, if my intent was to spur you on to ever more futile and whining attempts at defending your beloved franchise I’d say it was a success. Which would also, of course, give me a purpose for commenting here.

And I’d even argue that it DOES relate to the topic at hand, which is that Potter fans are so brainwashed into unconditional love of the franchise by now that they’ll give any Potter film a free pass, no matter what defects the film itself may have. Your OTT reactions to both Matt’s article and my post certainly show that you aren’t prepared to countenance any reaction to HBP other than ‘OMG HP r00lz 1!’ and are therefore in themselves an interesting example of the way in which over-commitment to a franchise on the part of the fan is, at the very least, not the most rational way to approach movie criticism.

I never once voiced my opinion on the movie, nowhere in the comments on this post. I don’t know where you got the idea that I’m one of those brainwashed fans who’ll give any potter movie a pass. I only gave my OTT reactions to matt and then you, because matt was first voicing his opinion on something he clearly doesn’t like(thus, biased), or hasn’t even given a chance to see(therefore, what movie critic is he? who refuses to watch something on personal choice? and then slanders it some more, with no evidence of seeing it), and then your post, if it was, indeed, only to spur me on? was just pointless and probably only made so you could boost your pathetically low self-esteem.

I don’t need to defend myself about being a harry potter fan, but there’s a big difference between being a MINDLESS fan and a fan who looks down on someone’s IGNORANCE of the movie at hand!! After seeing the movie, I’ll be the first to say, every movie, up to the latest sixth film, has had defects, in some way or another.
so I’m neither whining or attempting to defend my beloved franchise JUST for the sake of doing it as a fan. so while you may have gotten a few responses to your so-called attempt at spurring mindless fans, you still FAIL.
I’m sure it makes you feel very good at the end of the day when you can say that you posted a stupid comment on the basis that it would get a response from brainwashed fans! Well, good to see you wasted your time, idiot…
and my approach to movie criticism is in no way based on my liking of a movie franchise. They’re in their own category themselves. so as for your “movie criticism” comment, last time i checked, Matt didn’t post his REVIEW of the movie here, just his bitching and moaning of something he doesn’t like and looking for a cheap stab at harry potter fans.

What’s exactly the point of this post? That people who love a franchise are excited about it?

Batman fans were all crazy when The Dark Knight was released last year… Didn’t see you complain back then.

The reason I voice my support for Matt on this issue is that I think that his stance here has some value. Why shouldn’t someone be a skeleton at the HBP-feast? The more money franchises like HP make, the more likely the studios are to be sniffing after new franchises, and the less money is going to be there for original projects. Not to mention the knock-on effect on the books market, where children’s fiction is turning slowly into a stew of potentially optionable movie-and-merchandising vehicles.

In an odd way I can identify with Potter-fans who don’t like criticism of HBP. When I first saw Watchmen, I loved it. It was a treasured book from my teenage years, lovingly and near-perfectly adapted for the screen. But it had quite a few problems with it AS A FILM, as my spouse pointed out to me when I dragged her along to a showing. But I took that critique on the chin, realised that the views of people who didn’t know the book were as valid, perhaps more so, even, than my own, got on with my life and – most importantly – didn’t try to dismiss their opinion.

I’d like to think that everyone who posts on this site loves films – they may not always agree on which ones they love – but we all love the medium and want films to be better. I think the trend towards franchise films, and the uncritical acceptance of this trend by fans who are, understandably, psyched to see their favourite books on screen, is dangerous because it sends the signal to the industry that there’s a vast market of people out there who’ll happily watch films that aren’t very good because of their nature as part of a franchise, and if they know they can line their pockets by engaging in cinematic fanservice, why bother working as hard on making those adaptations good films in their own right? I love the ‘His Dark Materials’ trilogy, but I’m not going to hold back on saying that ‘The Golden Compass’ is a deeply flawed film…

Also, nedd, I love the way you keep telling me I ‘fail’ and calling me an idiot. It’s just adorable.

Okay, I see where you’re going now…it sure took you a while to get there, but I understand what you’ve been trying to say.

I agree somewhat, in that fans are less critical on movies based on material they loved, fine. I’ll even go by what you started with the Watchmen example. I have never read the graphic novel, and saw it, and it was a great film because it was a LITERAL translation from book to film. And the opposite of that, Harry Potter has never been adapted into films perfectly, and fans have been seeing this for a long time, since prisoner of azkaban(3, for those who don’t follow the titles) So maybe that’s a reason why fans are less critical as far as the “film” criticism, and i know this should in no way be an excuse for them to defend the hp franchise, or any franchise, but yea.
All I’m saying is this……Why should Matt Holmes come and make a post, criticizing Half Blood Prince and its fans, when he hasn’t even 1. seen the movie, 2. been a fan of either the books or movies. You can say you don’t LIKE something, but to crticize everyone else and a movie’s success because of the mindless fans, that’s not fair. It’s not HIGH SCHOOL MUSICAL or 1 of the endless SAW MOVIES(which are made for the sole purpose of making money and not for any other reasons!) Harry Potter is a great series of books and the films have been very well made, maybe different to the source material and keeping out details, yes,(obviously allowing the possibility of confusing non-readers) but still good adaptations of the books.
Adam, have you seen the film and what are your ideas on the previous? I’m sure you have some kind of affiliation with those which fueled your comments.

Да все ясно, спасибо за информацию.